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October 21st, 2010
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On E. Moon and Wiscon

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From:the_archfiend
Date:October 22nd, 2010 12:51 am (UTC)

Another example from another convention

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I'll put it like this: I'm not sure how much post-controversy editing Moon may have engaged in, but considering that James P. Hogan was a GoH at Capricon despite his wacko beliefs (beliefs I only found out about after the con), I'll admit that I have somewhat mixed sentiments on this. Granted, what she wrote - and the way she responded - is suspect, but is it any *less* suspect than someone who trumpeted everything from the truth of Velikovsky's woo physics to the actual *lionization* of neo-Nazi Ernst Zundel as a "hero" on his web site?

WisCon had every right to make their decision, but I'll have to look at this more closely before I either agree or disagree with it.
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From:netmouse
Date:October 22nd, 2010 01:12 pm (UTC)

Re: Another example from another convention

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I think perhaps you meant "is it any *more* suspect"?

re: post-controversy editing, her original post is unchanged, she just deleted the comments and added the note at the very bottom.

I fail to find "some other convention chose to honor someone who espoused even worse beliefs" a convincing argument for why this convention should not do what it is doing. I think there are valid arguments against it, but that is not one of them.

Edited at 2010-10-22 01:14 pm (UTC)
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From:the_archfiend
Date:October 26th, 2010 11:02 pm (UTC)

Re: Another example from another convention

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Okay, I'll admit that I wrote that way too quickly ("less" for "more", etc.) for my liking, but you're missing my point.

I *agree* that WisCon had every right to launch Moon from GoH status since they also have every right to reconsider a author's stated opinions and decide whether they would jibe with what how they present themselves as a con (frex, I can't imagine a con emphasizing peace studies inviting, say, Tom Kratman as a GoH). That being said, after looking at the section concerning Muslims a second time I came to the conclusion that Moon is pouring more gas on the fire (intentionally or otherwise) and that my comparison to Hogan is still valid; the point I'm trying to make is that Moon's beliefs on this subject are dubious, but so were Hogan's and they didn't stop *him* from being a Capricon GoH. It's just that Wiscon knew what Moon wrote ahead of time; I'm not sure that Capricon was particularly aware of Hogan's wackier beliefs before they invited him (I certainly wasn't), so I admit that the two situations aren't entirely analogous.

In short, no "some other convention" comparisons need apply; it's just that some cons tend to be more cautious in their GoH invites than others. That's their right.
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From:netmouse
Date:October 27th, 2010 01:23 pm (UTC)

Re: Another example from another convention

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It's just that Wiscon knew what Moon wrote ahead of time

Moon wrote her September screed many month after Wiscon invited her to be GoH. Last I knew they could not have known about it ahead of time unless they were possessed of a time machine.

Or was something else she wrote indicative of these attitudes?
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From:the_archfiend
Date:October 28th, 2010 11:05 pm (UTC)

Re: Another example from another convention

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You wrote

>Moon wrote her September screed many month after Wiscon >invited her to be GoH.

Ah, but they withdrew GoH status *before the actual convention*, which is what I meant. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that.

>Or was something else she wrote indicative of these >attitudes?

Your guess is as good as mine. I guess I'll have to head over to John Scalzi's page to see what he thinks about this.

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From:the_archfiend
Date:October 28th, 2010 11:12 pm (UTC)

Another example of Writing Too Damn Fast

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Arrrrrgh. Is this thread actually *causing* me to brain-fart all over the damn place?

Apparently, I half-remember the "racefail" from Jane Irwin's page and drew the false conclusion that it was a link to John Scalzi's page.

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From:(Anonymous)
Date:November 9th, 2010 02:10 pm (UTC)

Re: Another example from another convention

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Actually, since I used to be Director, Rule of Law, for the Peacekeeping and Stability Operations Institute at Carlisle Barracks, I could see them asking. I just couldn't see me accepting.

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Tom Kratman
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