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January 16th, 2009
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According to the NRDC, "the Bush Administration has stripped wolves in Idaho and Montana of their Endangered Species protection" again. (they did it last spring and got stopped by a federal court). I'm sick and tired of the interests of ranchers being put above the survival of this endangered community of animals who've already had their territory horribly reduced and broken up (despite the fact that, according to the Northern Rockies Wolf Collaborative wolves kill fewer ranch livestock than dogs do each year). You can help by supporting the NRDC, which along with other groups is protesting in court. Again.

background article from the Washington Post.

Of course, hopefully they only have to keep the legal battle going long enough for Obama to take the reins but the new administration has a lot to do and we can't expect them to be an instant cure-all for Bushocities (atrocities that come from Bush).

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From:sorcycat
Date:January 16th, 2009 09:39 pm (UTC)
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There was a story on NPR yesterday... Bushie may be the decider, but the cohorts he has chosen to associate with have presented him with biased options. Not that that helps... either he makes bad decisions, or he's spineless and makes bad decisions about his confidences.
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From:grimfaire
Date:January 16th, 2009 08:58 pm (UTC)
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Personally I'm hoping the new administration lets some things fall through the cracks like immunity for the outgoing administration from a warcrimes court at the hague!


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From:(Anonymous)
Date:January 16th, 2009 09:52 pm (UTC)
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You know actually, I'm kind of glad Bush is not super clever, if he was he'd give Cheney a pardon on 18th January and resign the Presidency. Cheney is President for one day and gives a pardon to the Bush-master.

No conflict of interest and both get a scott free pardon for what they've done. None the less I look forward eagerly to the pardons list from Bush-master when his last days come up. I mean those poor Enron people, they've been abroad for so long, it's really time for them to come home and enjoy that ill gained wealth.
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From:rmeidaking
Date:January 17th, 2009 12:42 am (UTC)
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You'd feel differently if they were in your backyard, eating your pets and wildlife. It's a real fine line in Northern Michigan, where there was a lot of pressure to reintroduce wolves over the past few decades; they want the wolves, but oddly, the wolves aren't very polite and will attack and kill any animal significantly smaller than themselves. It's one thing when it's raccoons, opossum, squirrels and bunnies being killed, and another when it's your pet cat or dog, and you can't let your toddlers play in their own rural backyard unless you're watching over them with a loaded shotgun.

Interestingly, I learned recently that UP shepherds are now adding llamas to their herds - because the presence of llamas causes wolves to leave the sheep alone.
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From:netmouse
Date:January 17th, 2009 01:18 am (UTC)
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Coyotes kill a lot more livestock and pets than wolves do. Wolves are just more visible and easier targets. I know people whose pets have been killed and maimed by coyotes. We should marshal the trigger happy against them instead of the wolves.

I haven't heard of any cases of toddlers being threatened or attacked by wolves in Michigan, have you?
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From:rmeidaking
Date:January 17th, 2009 02:24 am (UTC)
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Define threatened. They solve the problem by not letting small children play outside without armed supervision. They walk small dogs, rather than just letting them out in the yard. Cats are on their own. Can one say that there aren't any incidents, when there are no opportunities for incidents?
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From:netmouse
Date:January 17th, 2009 03:56 am (UTC)
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um, well, yes, if one could truly say there has been no opportunity for something to happen, then logic would suggest that the thing in question had never happened.

But I wasn't asking that. I was asking you to say whether or not you had heard any reports of such. I don't know if wolves can recognize and armed guard so I would suspect if there was truly a danger someone would have reported a standoff, warning shots fired, or wolves taken down specifically to protect children in the sort of situation you describe. That doesn't mean you would have necessarily heard about it, so if you haven't heard any such reports, that doesn't mean they don't exist. I was just wondering, since you talk as though familiar with the subject, if you have heard any or not.
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From:rmeidaking
Date:January 17th, 2009 02:29 am (UTC)
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PS Given that there are only now about 500 wolves in Michigan, all in the Upper Peninsula where there are fewer than 300,000 people, there isn't much chance for human-wolf interaction.

You should read this paper:
http://www.michigan.gov/documents/dnr/Draft_Wolf_Management_Plan_030708_227742_7.pdf
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